Mens Fast
Pitch Classification
Committee Policy for 2008 for the Team
List and the Pitchers List.
(As of January 27, 2008)
1. Teams & Pitchers have the right to appeal their
classification to the Region 14 Men’s Fastpitch Classification
Committee. The appeal should be based on participation for that current
year. If the listing of the team is from the ASA Code, the appeal is
not complete until ALL steps have been approved.
2. Teams must compete at or higher than the level indicated on the
Pacific Coast Region Team List.
3. Pitchers must pitch at or above the level indicated on the
Pacific Coast Region 14 Pitchers List. No more than one pitcher listed
as B restricted may pitch on a "B" team in a season, except for the
National Championship Finals.
4. Pitchers that live and work outside Region 14 will be rated
Major until they submit a letter to the Region 14 Classification
committee PRIOR to participating in championship play for a team in
Region 14 each season. This letter must include team(s) played for, the
level at which they played, and any statistics (team & individual)
for the last three years.
5. The Classification Committee reserves the right to move a team
and/or pitchers up during the season, no matter what berth they may
have earned, as long as it is matched at the higher level.
6. Appeal process. Team & Pitcher appeals must be in writing.
Those appeals will only be heard at regularly scheduled meetings of the
classification committee. Appeals should be made 48 hours prior through
your local classification committee or association representative.
7. (ASA Code 507F2b) A team that has a combination of four or more
players on a roster, including pick-ups, from a team or teams subject
to mandatory reclassification , restricted classification or are on the
PCR team list must maintain the classification as assigned. Players may only play one level below
their current classification.
8. Mens fastpitch 'C' teams
wishing to go to the "C" Nationals
must play in 1 ASA Sanctioned event to be eligible.
Men’s Fastpitch Classification Committee
MINUTES OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS
April 29, 2008
Conference call
1. Roll call; John Gouveia, Sam Ducato, Anna Louie, Vanessa Woodmansee,
Matt Pfeifer, Bob McCormick, Sean Melvin, and Paul Carlton,
and Dick Grove.
2. Order of Business:
a. Team List- No Appeals
b. Pitchers List- Approved appeal of Sean Barker and removed him from
the B List (Carlton/McCormick)and was unanimous.
c. Player List- Player appeals for Carlos Flores and Troy Parker
referred back to Central Calif. per Region 14 classification guidelines.
d. National Restricted Player List- Italian Athletic Club is appealing
five (5) players that appear on the new ASA restricted player list. IAC
requests that Nate Devine, Joel Manfredi, Tony Peoples, Steve
Pinniochio, and Travis Price be removed from the list so they can
participate
at the 'A' level. This can only be done by the ASA classification
committee,
but it was suggested that the Region 14 committee make a
recommendation. The recommandation was to approve the request
(Carlton/Louie) and was
unanimous.
Upcomming meetings:
Tuesday May 27, 6pm conference call
Tuesday July 1, 6pm conference call
Saturday October 4, 10am (2009 set-up meeting)
January 26, 2008
Hayward, CA
Roll Call: John Gouveia, Sam Ducato, Anna Louie, Vanessa Woodmansee,
Betsy Ito, Matt Pfeifer, Bob McCormick, Terry Horner, and Paul Carlton
1. Team List:
A Teams; IAC is the only A team on the list. However they may be
impacted by the action of the ASA National Governing Body, which placed
6 of
their players on the Restricted Players List (RPL). If IAC wants to
appeal any of these players/pitchers designation, they must present
their case to their local committee, who will forward it with its
recommendation to this committee. This committee will forward it with
its
recommendation to the National Association.
B Teams; There were no changes in the Northern and Central
California teams from the list produced at the September 29, 2007
meeting.
Southern California; There was no representative from Southern
California. John Gouveia will contact Robert Hernandez to get his
assessmment
of the teams in that area. It is anticipated that a number of Southern
California teams will want to play in the ASA C Nationals because of
their
location in Arizona.
2. Pitchers List:
Major; Travis Price and Tony Peoples were moved to the Major list
because of their placement on the ASA RPL list. (MSC Ducato/Louie)
A List; Mark Bennet was moved from the B Restricted list to the A list
because of his preformance at the B Nationals. (MSC Ducato/Horner)
B Restricted List; No changes made.
B List; BJ Hunhoff was added. The committee classified him at this
level prior to the B Nationals so he could pitch with the Angels. (MSC
Carlton/
McCormick) No other changes were made to the list except a housekeeping
item showing Mike Milligan from GSSA rather than SoCal.
3. Tournament Schedules/Fees:
The tournament series dates, locations and format was finalized as
follows;
>April 5-6 Hayward...............3 game bracket
>April 19-20 Fairfield.............Round Robin/single elim
>May 3-4 Fairfield..................Round Robin/single elim
>May 24-25 Hanford..............3 game bracket
>June 7-8 Folsom...................3 game bracket
>June 28-29 Sonora...............3 game bracket
>July 19-20 Hayward.............3 game bracket
>August 16-17 Davis................3 game bracket
Entry fees are $410 maximum for a 3 game bracket and $430 maximum for a
Round Robin/single elim..
4. Tournament awards:
Apply only to C teams.
Travel Fund awards will be made at the end of each event to that
weekends winner. The amount will depend on the number of teams entered.
Twenty five ($25.00) dollars from each teams entry fee will be set
aside for the pay out..
A final travel fund award will be made to the winner of the July 19-20
event. The amount will be based on the number of teams entered
thoughout the season with $25.00 of each entry fee from each team
entered in all the events to that point will be set aside for this
award.
The May 24-25 event is a separate money event and is not considered
part of the previously stated. This event will have an upper/lower
division payout.
To be eligible for the final travel fund payout, teams must have played
in two series events during the season. The Hanford (May 24-25)
event will count as one of the events played in.
Note- B Teams are encoraged to work together to select the above
tournament dates they can play in. The tournament directors will make
every effort to accommodate the B teams. In addition if these teams
want to schedule separate events they can work with their local
commissioners
to obtain help in scheduling fields and umpires.
5. Policy Review:
In reference to the Committee Policy List (at the top of this page), It
was MSC (McCormick/Carlton) to add Players may only play one level
below
their current classification. Their
current classification is determined by the classification level of the
team they played on last. Additionly,
five was changed to four in this section to match the change in the ASA
Code at the National Convention.
6. Other items:
Concerning the question of whether the committee wanted to pursue
having a specific set of umpires identified to work the tournament
series. It
was a unanimous committee decision not to pursue this but instead let
the local UIC determine the umpires for the event.
There was a brief discussion regarding the NAFA tournaments being
scheduled by Bob Chapel. In response to the question Chairman John
Gouveia made it clear that we did not take those events into
consideration one way or the other when scheduling the tournament
series and that
ASA umpires may choose to umpire those events. Howeversince ASA is not
sanctioning these events, umpires cannot wear ASA equipment/
uniforms nor are they covered by ASA insurance. Also, the field owner s
policy if purchase by that field owner would also not be in effect.
Chairman John Gouveia will be sending out the committee list for
updating of contact info and placement on the website.
7. 2008 Meeting schedule;
Tuesday April 29, 6pm conference call
Tuesday May 27, 6pm conference call
Tuesday July 1, 6pm conference call
Saturday October 4, 10am Sacramento set-up meeting for 2009
Sept. 29, 2007 Sacramento, California
Call
to Order: The meeting was called to order
by John Gouveia.
- Roll Call:
John Gouveia, Paul Carleton, Sam Ducato, Jon Abernathy,
Anna
Louie, Vanessa Woodmansee (proxy)
- Order
of Business
Review Team List: The committee
reviewed the current team list
and removed the following:
Rainey,
A-1 Tank, Edge, Lumberkings, Lugnuts/McLaughlin Air.
Also;
Spelling correction on Romie’s Angels and added
Lumberkings
to Taylor
Farms to reflect their merger.
The
Committee reviewed the results of the National Tournaments to see
if any team should be moved up in classification as required by code.
There
were none.
The
Committee reviewed all the Region teams that played in the “C”
Nationals to determine if any of these teams should be moved to “B”
classification. There were none.
Review of
Pitcher List: The
committee reviewed the current pitcher list to see if any pitchers
should be
removed because they are no longer competing or no longer in Region 14. The following pitchers were dropped from the
list based on this criteria:
Dave Dodson, Joe
Givens, Bruce King, Bodie Smith
Also; Changed Ed
Gasper to gssa
The
committee reviewed the list to see if any one on the current list
should be moved up in classification. The
following pitcher was moved from the “B” restricted list
to the “A”
list:
Mark
Bennett
New pitchers added to
the “B” list:
Mike
Egerdeen, Dave Drotzman, Darren Strang
Players List;
(MSC) To omit the players list and
have local association police the roster requirements.
Policy
Changes for 2008;
#1; Omit
‘players’
#3; Delete
entire section
#8; Remove
and replace with (as per ASA Code 507F2b) ‘A team that has a
combination of five or more players on a roster, including pick-ups,
from a
team or teams subject to mandatory reclassification, restricted
classification, or are on the PCR team list must
maintain the classification as assigned.
#9; MFP
‘C’ teams need to play in 1 ASA sanctioned event to attend the
Nationals.
Travel League/Tournament
Series
A
representative did not attend from Southern Calif. or Central Calif.
so their programs were not covered. The
Northern Calif. series was discussed
and a
proposal by Bob Chapel was reviewed. The committee is
recommending the following be used for the 2008 season;
“A” and “B”
Team managers will meet and decide themselves which weekends they could
all
attend and notify that event director to try and secure a field. “A”
and “B”
teams will not participate with the “C” teams in the Tournament Series.
(Oct. 27)
Program for the "C" teams to follow
Umpires;
Chairman John Gouveia will contact the commissioners and UIC’s
to set-up some sort of pool to be assigned primarily to this series.
The
committee feels the North Pacific Championships and the Regionals
are probably not needed at this time and should not be scheduled. It
also
suggests the roster freeze date for our region be July 11th.
The first
appeal meeting of 2008 will be Jan. 26th in
Hayward. The remaining meeting schedule will be discussed at that
meeting.
May 21, 2007 Conference Call
Dropped Rob Davis and Ron Mizener from the B list
Change in Northern Calif. Tournament Series for the second half: If two
or more B teams enter an event, they will be placed in a separate
bracket for
Sunday play.
April 30, 2007 Conference Call
Dropped Mark Bennett from A to B-restricted
January 27, 2007,
HARD district office, Hayward, California, 11:00 AM
- Call
to Order: The meeting was called to order
by John Gouveia.
Roll
Call: John Gouveia, Terry Horner, Rick
Appiano, Paul Carleton, Sam Ducato, Betsy Ito, Jon Abernathy, Anna
Louie, Jeff Coleman, and Ike Pursell.
Order of Business
Player List Update;
(MSC) To
eliminate the current list and replace it with a list based on
the current Region 14 Team list having a minimum of 8 players from each
of
those teams as determined by their registering association. If not
determined,
then all rosters players will be listed.
Appeals;
1.
EneryLink (team): Dropped from ‘B' list.
2.
Ted Muniz (pitcher): Dropped from ‘B’ list.
Travel
League Reports;
1.
Northern
Calif;
See attached sheet for adopted format
2.
Central
Calif;
Schedule announced and adopted ‘C’ National qualifying procedure from
North
(See Old Business below)
3.
Southern; No
representative.
Old
Business;
1. As
agreed to at the Regional meeting, the following was made policy
for 2007: “Mens fastpitch 'C' teams wishing to go to the "C"
Nationals must play in 4 total events to be eligible and 1 or those
events must
be either the Memorial Day event, the North Pacific
Championships or the Regionals. “
2.
Meeting schedule;
Tue. May 1, 6pm
conference call
Mon. May 21,
Stockton 7PM
Mon. Jun 25,
6pm
conference call
Note: A
meeting may be changed to a conf. call or cancelled if no
appeals
Men’s Fastpitch Classification Committee 2007 Set-up meeting,
Sept. 29, 2006, Roseville
Eagle’s Hall
124 Vernon St.
Roseville, CA
10:00 AM
I. Call to Order: The meeting was called to order by John
Gouveia at 10:00 am, September 30, 2006.
II. Roll Call: John Gouveia, Terry Horner, Sam Ducato, Chris
Wright, Jon Abernathy, Betsy Ito, Paul Carleton
III. Order of Business:
A. Review and Update Team, Pitcher and Player List and Applicable
Policies
1. Policy Review:
a. Criteria For Moving Teams in Classification: There was a
discussion as to what criteria would be used to move teams up in
classification. It was moved by Paul Carleton and seconded by Sam
Ducato and unanimously passed, that for purposes of the initial review
that only the National Code would be used. This does not preclude
the committee from reclassifying teams during the season.
b. B Restricted Classification: There was a discussion about the
need for the B restricted classification for pitchers. The committee
decided to leave the classification intact so that pitchers on the A/B
bubble have a place to pitch and yet there can’t be two pitchers on the
same team at that level.
c. Classification appeal submittal deadline: There was a
discussion about the lead time needed for presenting appeals to the
committee. It was agreed that a minimum of 48 hours prior to a
scheduled meeting was reasonable for submittal of appeals to the
committee.
d. Player List: The question was raised about the need for a
player list. It is difficult to maintain and may prevent a player
from playing at the appropriate level. After a great deal of
discussion, Sam Ducato moved and Chris Wright seconded a motion to
maintain a list, drop off all names prior to the 2004/05 season, and
require all teams classified B to identify a minimum of 8 players on
their roster that
will be considered as counting as B players for classifying a
team. All other players on the roster may be dropped from
the players list if the local commissioner agrees. Teams
with 5 or more players from the Player List must play B or
-2-
higher. The same policy shall apply to A teams however
those players not identified as A players shall still be
designated as B players for purposes of determining the
classification of a team.
e. Pitcher from Outside Area: Concern was expressed
that pitchers from outside region 14 that want to pitch in
the travel leagues would not be able to under our current
policy that specifies they are classified as Major pitchers until
the classification committee reviews their status. It
was decided that the tournament directors can handle it as
they see fit until action can be taken by the committee if
necessary.
2. Team Review: The committee reviewed the team list
and updated it to reflect the current status of each team. This
resulted in the following by unanimous vote:
a. Italian Athletic Club-“A” by code.
b. The following teams were dropped from the list
as no longer active:
1. Team Lyons (Major) Horner/Wright
2. Bucks (A) Coleman/Horner
3. Bonanza Air (B) Ducato/Abernathy
4. Captain Dan’s/Quest (B) Coleman/Wright
5. King Real Estate (B) Ducato/Coleman
6. Nielson Gamblers (B) Carleton /Coleman
7. Savala Painters-Bakersfield (B) Carleton /Wright
c. The team list was modified to reflect different names being
used by a team as follows:
1. Energy Link/Lumber Kings
2. Lugnuts/McLaughlin Air
3. Edge/Pantara’s
3. Pitcher Review: Changes were made pursuant to code,
level of performance, or no longer active in California.
a. Major: Bill Hillhouse-Drop
b. “A”:
1. Lonnie Brooks-A to B
2. Glen Davis-Drop
3. Mark Higgins-Drop
4. Tony Hunhoff-A to B-R
c. “B”: The following B pitchers were
dropped from the list.
1. Ronnie Allen; 2. Larry
Althiede; 3. Chris Bird;
4. Ken Brose; 5. Jerome Clark; 6.
Bob Dugo
7. Jim Fleck; 8. Joe Flores; 9. Steve Jaurique; 10. Mike Meinke 11.
Jerry Melson;
-3-
12. Mike Neeley; 13. Scott Peradotto 14. Bret Pobanz; 15. Rich
Rivera 16. Geno Tamantini 17. Dude Ybarra
d. Pete Turner (IAC) elevated from “B” to “A”
B. Travel League Reports:
1. Pacific Coast Series Report-The main topic of discussion
was the umpire situation in terms of availability and quality of
umpires in the travel league. The travel league weekend scheduled
for Reno last season was cancelled because of lack of available
umpires. The competition for umpires is high when there are
competing JO and slow pitch tournaments in the area at the same time as
the fastpitch tournaments. There was discussion about paying the
umpires more and covering their expenses to draw better umpires.
Jon Abernathy indicated he had no problem paying their expenses but he
was not going to make room reservations for them because of past bad
experiences. He will give them a set amount and they can make
their own plans and reservations. The committee recommended Bob Chapel
take the same approach. Concern was expressed that paying
the umpires more may not result in better umpires willing to work the
tournament series but instead may just raise expectations of existing
umpires for higher pay. All agreed there was no easy solution because
of the competition with the JO and slowpitch programs except to try and
schedule the tournament series when there aren’t competing tournaments
in the area. It was mentioned that Travis AFB has an excellent
umpire crew that the tournament directors should consider using.
Jon Abernathy presented a proposal for tournament play that would
have all teams, regardless of classification, playing in the same pool
in a round robin format on Saturday. There would be an equal
distribution of B and C teams on Saturday with the teams with the best
record moving to one group on Sunday and the teams with the worst
records moving to another group on Sunday. Points would be
distributed by order of finish and would be used to determine
eligibility for National tournament play. It could also be used
to classify teams. Concern was expressed that B teams would not
get the level of play they desired by playing C teams and C
teams might object to having their berth to the Nationals determined
through playing B teams. The committee took no action on the
proposal.
Paul Carleton raised an issue about the format of the
tournaments. He believes the five game guarantee doesn’t create
the same level of intensity as you find when you are playing in an
“elimination” tournament such as
the Nationals. Teams often lose interest and experience has shown
that teams may not even show on Sunday if they have played poorly on
Saturday. As a result teams may not be as well prepared as
possible for Championship play. Carleton made a motion, seconded
by Sam Ducato, to use the same format used in the ASA Nationals, that
is a double
-4-
elimination tournament but with a three game guarantee. The
committee voted to implement this proposal but to allow some
flexibility with the
tournament director at the C level if desired by the C teams.
They would be required to use this format at least three weekends.
The schedule for the Pacific Coast Series was presented. The
dates and locations are as follows:
1. March 17/18-Stockton
2. March 31/April 1-Stockton
3. April 14/15 or 21/22-Fairfield (C only)
4. May 5/6-Hayward
5. May 19/20-Folsom
6. May 26/28-(TBD) National Qualifier (C only)
7. June 9/10-Reno
8. June 23/24-Sonora
9. July 7/8-Sonora
2. Central Cal Travel League-Nothing to report
3. So. Cal. Alliance Report-There was no representative
from So. Cal
C. Old Business-Nothing to report.
D. New Business
1. Vice Chair: With the resignation of Robert
Hernandez, the committee lost its vice
chairman. Sam Ducato volunteered to assume that position.
2. Player List: Paul Carleton volunteered to maintain the
player list. Each chair of the respective local
classification committee will submit the rosters with
the designated player level to Paul.
3. Timing of Regionals: There was a discussion
regarding the timing of the Regionals. Concern was expressed that
the current schedule results in very few teams participating resulting
in cancellation of the event. The question was asked during the
discussion as to whether we even need the Regionals. It was
suggested that if they were cancelled, the berths from the Regionals
could go to the National Qualifier or an additional weekend could be
added to the tournament series with the berths going there. The
committee will consider the issue further after the item is discussed
by the Pacific Coast Region as the event has already been awarded for
2007.
4. Committee meeting schedule for 2007:
a. Saturday, Jan. 27-Hayward 10 am
b. Monday, May 1-Conference Call, 6 pm
c. Monday, May 21st-Stockton, 6:30 dinner, 7 pm
meeting
d. Monday, June 25th-Conference Call, 6 pm
E. Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at
1:30 pm.
June 26, 2006 Conference call
I. Call to Order: The meeting was called to order by John
Gouveia at 6:00pm.
II. Roll Call: John Gouveia, Robert Hernandez, Anna Louie,
Terry Horner, Paul Carleton,
Sam Ducato, Chris Wright, Bob Chapel, Jon Abernathy, Jeff Coleman.
Appeals:
Tony Hunhoff, pitcher; A-B; Denied
Matt Barnes, pitcher; A-B; Approved
Bay Area High Reach, team; Cardinals, team; Oroville Braves, team;
Painters, team; B-C
Approved AFTER they meet with their home association to collectively
name 4 B players
on their current roster.
Next meeting September 30 in Sacramento
May 22, 2006 Valley Brew Resturaunt
Stockton, California
6:30 PM
I. Call to Order: The meeting was called to order by Robert
Hernandez at 6:40PM.
II. Roll Call: Robert Hernandez, Sam Ducato, Matt Pfeifer,
Benny Herrera, Terry Horner, Bob Chapel, Paul Carleton, Betsy Ito
III. Order of Business
A. Review Committee Policies for 2006 – No changes
B. Appeals
a. Savala Painters: Decision: Appeal was denied.
b. West Coast Cardinals: Decision: Appeal was denied
c. Oroville Braves: Decision: No action taken as the Committee did not
receive a request
d. Bay Area High Reach: Decision: Appeal was denied
e. Pitcher: Matt Barnes Decision: Appeal was denied and the
Committee request that additional stats are provided prior to the next
meeting
C. Travel Leagues
a. Nor-Cal – Held two events since the last meeting, one in
Hayward and one in Fairfield
b. So Cal – A/B & C event held in Lancaster the weekend of May
20-21
D. Old Business: None
a. 2006 Meeting Schedule
1. June 26, 6 pm-Conference Call
2. October 14, 10am - Sacramento
E. New Business: Matt Pfeifer brought up the discussion on the efforts
on revitalizing the B program. There was both positive and
negative feedback during the discussion by the Committee members.
F. Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 8:10PM.
April 29,
2006
Hayward Area Recreation and Park District
Administration Building 1099 “E” Street
Hayward,
California
10:00AM
I. Call to Order: The meeting was called to order by John
Gouveia at 10:10am.
II. Roll Call: John Gouveia, Robert Hernandez, Chuck Louie,
Terry Horner, Rick Appiano, Betsy Ito, Jeff Coleman.
III. Order of Business
A. Review Committee Policies for 2006 – No changes
B. Review Updated Team and Pitcher List – No changes.
C. Appeals
a. Savala Painters: Decision: No action taken due to the number
of “B” rated players from other teams currently on their roster. Team
was 12-2 so far in the Central Cal travel league. Committee felt they
would like to see this team play against “B” competition before
considering their appeal.
b. Oroville Braves: Decision: The committee denied the appeal. The
Braves do not appear to be competitive at the “B” level as their 0-5
record indicated but had only participated in one event so far. The
committee understood that weather has been a major factor but would
like to see teams play more before being reclassified.
c. West Coast Cardinals: Decision: The committee denied the
appeal. Team can continue playing “B” and appeal again when more
results are available.
d. Energy Link: Decision: Denied for the same reasons as above.
10-4 record so far.
e. Pitcher: Discussion on whether to place Ron Epps on the “B”
list. There is a question regarding Mr. Epps’ eligibility in
championship play. Decision: To not place Ron Epps on pitcher list but
to continue to monitor his play and re-classify if necessary.
D. Travel Leagues
a. All leagues had lost several dates to weather and did not have many
results to report. The Pacific Coast League had 8 teams participating
in their two events, Central Cal has 10 in theirs and the Southern
California Alliance had 16 and 19 teams in their two events. More
results should be available at the next committee meeting.
E. Old Business: None
a. 2006 Meeting Schedule
1. May 22, 6 pm-Stockton
2. June 26, 6 pm-Conference Call
3. October 14, 10am - Sacramento
F. New Business: None.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 11:15am.
February 4, 2006 Eden
Mansion
Hayward, California
10:00AM
I. Call to Order: The meeting was called to order by John Gouveia
at 10:00am.
II. Roll Call: John Gouveia, Robert Hernandez, Lou Enriquez,
Anna Louie, Terry
Horner, Rick Appiano, Paul Carleton, Sam Ducato, Chris Wright, Bob
Chapel, Jon Abernathy, Betsy Ito.
III. Order of Business
A. Review Committee Policies for 2006
a. Player List:
1. It was noted that there are two Biagini’s on the player list.
It was clarified that one is a Junior. This will be corrected.
2. Chris Wright felt the list was in error because in several cases a
player was listed twice but at two different levels, e.g. A and
B. John Gouveia explained that was due to the fact the that
player may have played at both levels and since the names were taken
from the sign in rosters at the Nationals they would show up on
both. Chris pointed out some other issues with the list.
John Gouveia asked him to review the roster and identify areas of
concern and provide this information to him.
3. There were three appeals by individual players to remove them from
the Player list so they could play at the C level. If not removed
they would continue to be counted toward the 4 player limit necessary
for a team to remain at the lower classification. John Gouveia
reminded the committee that the policy of the committee was to not
classify individual players as their level was based strictly on the
classification level of the team they played for the previous
season. Unless the committee changed the policy the three appeals
before the committee would be denied based on the policy. There was a
great deal of discussion about the pros and cons of this policy.
It was pointed out that the teams could appeal their entire designation
after playing at least one weekend at the higher level. While
teams can appeal their entire designation at a later appeal meeting,
they could be put at a disadvantage for qualifying for a national berth
at the lower level. As a result of the discussion, several
motions were made and approved. Sam Ducato moved and Paul
Carleton seconded, that individual player appeals will not be taken up
by the committee. Further, that a method will be worked out to
not disadvantage those teams, in seeking a National berth, that played
at the higher level but were then dropped in classification later in
the season. The motion was approved. John Abernathy moved,
and Anna Louie seconded, that when a team was moved to a lower
classification they must identify the four players that will continue
to be designated at the higher level, for the committees review and
approval. The motion was approved.
B. Review Updated Team and Pitcher List
a. There was a brief discussion of the actions taken by the committee
at it’s October 1, 2005 meeting.
b. There was a question regarding the reason two pitchers were moved
from C to B at the October meeting since their team did not get moved
up. Discussion was tabled until the appeal on these two pitchers
was heard.
C. Appeals
a. King Real Estate: They were moved up from C to B by the
committee at it’s Oct 1, 2005 meeting because they met one of the five
criteria used by the committee in making this determination. The
appeal was presented in person. Decision: The committee
denied the appeal because there was nothing on which to base a change
from the Oct. 1 decision. They were advised to play in one
or two events at the B level and then they could appeal at a future
committee meeting if they still believed they were unable to compete at
the B level.
b. Bay Area High Reach: They were moved up from C to B at the Oct
1 meeting. The appeal was presented in person.
Decision: Denied for the same reasons as above.
c. Pitchers: Jose Calderon, (Country Club), Brad Wilson, (Country
Club), and Tom Biko, (Savala Painters), requested to be reclassified
from B to C. They had been added to the B list at the October 1,
2005 meeting due to a clerical reporting error. Their teams
remained at the C classification. Chris Wright made a
motion, seconded by Sam Ducato to grant the appeal of all three.
Decision: Approved.
d. Pitcher: Joe Salcido, (Raymar) requested to be reclassified
from B to C. Joe was moved up with his team, Raymar, at the start
of the 2005 season because of their finish at the C nationals.
Joe pitched at the B level during the 2005 season. Statistics
were provided. Decision: Approved but will remain on the B
list as a player.
e. Players: Donald Wood, (West Coast Cardinals),Todd Pitman,
(West Coast Cardinals), Cary Anderson (Rockers) requested to be dropped
from the player list which would allow them to play at the C level
without counting toward the limit of 4 higher division players on a
lower division team. Decision: Denied as individual player
appeals are not considered by the committee.
D. Travel Leagues
a. Roster Freeze Date. The roster freeze date for C teams in
northern and central California is July 21, 2006. In Southern
California it is July 14, 2006.
b. Pacific Coast Series Report: Bob Chapel gave a brief report
including a schedule of events. There is a managers meeting
Saturday, Feb 11 at the Italian Athletic Club in Stockton.
Entries must be received Friday, one week prior to the event.
Teams need to get their forms and fees in early to ensure a spot as
there will be limits to the number of teams that can be
accommodated. John Gouveia stated that the C event in Hayward May
6/7 can be modified to include a B component as well.
c. Central Cal Report: There was no representative from Central
Cal but Bob Chapel presented their schedule.
d. Southern Cal Alliance Report: Robert Hernandez and Lou
Enriquez shared in presenting their report. They provided a
handout that listed the teams. There are 11 A/B teams and 13 C
teams. In the A/B league they are also allowing major pitchers
and their teams on Saturday but not during single elimination on
Sunday. They will not be eligible for prizes. The C
National Qualifier will be Memorial Day Weekend in Palm Springs.
There will also be a B component.
E. Tournament Schedule: This was reviewed as part of the
Travel League reports.
F. Old Business: None
G. New Business
a. 2006 Meeting Schedule
1. March 13, 6 pm-Conference Call
2. April 29, Location to Be Determined*
3. May 22, 6 pm-Stockton
4. June 26, 6 pm-Conference Call
5. October-TBD
*This meeting date was changed from April 24 to April 29.
Because of the anticipated high volume of appeals the format was
changed from a conference call to a meeting. Southern Cal has
first option on having the meeting. If they choose not to then
the meeting will be in Hayward.
H. Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at
11:45.
October 1, 2005 Buggy Whip
Restaurant
Sacramento, California
10:00 AM
I. Call to Order: The meeting was called to order by
John Gouveia.
II. Roll Call: John Gouveia, Robert Hernandez, Terry Horner,
Rick Appiano, Bob Chapel, Paul Carleton, Ben Hernandez, Matt Pfeifer,
Sam Ducato, Betsy Ito, Jon Abernathy, Lance Elrod.
III. Order of Business
A. Review Team List: The committee reviewed the current team
list to see if any team should be dropped from the list because it is
no longer in existence. Action taken included the following:
1. D&S Dragline: Sam Ducato moved and Ben Hernandez
seconded. Dropped by unanimous vote.
2. Win River Casino: Bob Chapel moved and Rick Appiano
seconded. Dropped by unanimous vote.
3. Bucks: The team list will be edited to reflect the Bucks as a
socal registered team.
The Committee reviewed the results of the National Tournaments to
see if any team should be moved up in classification as required by
code.
1. Taylor Farms: Moved from a “C” classification to
“B” classification as a result of their 3rd place finish in the “C”
Nationals.
The Committee reviewed all the California teams that played
in the “C” Nationals to determine if any of these teams should be moved
to “B” classification.
As an opening for this discussion, Robert Hernandez made a
presentation on his plans for the Southern California teams. He
plans on moving 7 teams from “C” to “B” and is meeting with the team
representatives tomorrow October 2, 2005 to discuss his plans with
them. His basic rational for implementing this plan is to bring
in new players and teams to the “C” level while at the same time
improving the “B” program. Currently the lower level “C” teams
and players just learning the game are discouraged and are dropping out
because the strong “C” teams are so dominant. This plan will give
them the opportunity to grow and compete and will make the new “B”
teams stronger by playing better competition throughout the season.
There was a lengthy discussion by the committee members on the
pros and cons of moving teams up in classification that weren’t
required by code to move. One of the major concerns expressed was
the impact on teams going to National tournaments and the inconsistent
application of classification levels by other states.
However the committee eventually agreed with the rational adopted by
Robert Hernandez. It was also agreed that this committee must
take the appropriate action early and not wait for local committees to
make recommendations first.
The committee agreed that the decision to move teams up from “C”
to “B” had to be based on specific criteria. In addition to
the code requirement, the following criteria was adopted:
1. Winner of 4 or more games at the “C” nationals
2. Winner of a national qualifier
3. Winner of the regional tournament
4. Winner of one of the 7 weekend tournaments in the “C” travel league
series.
5. Finished in the top 6 in total points in the travel league series.
The following teams were reclassified from “C” to “B” based on the
above criteria.
1. West Coast Cardinals
2. High Reach
3. A-1 Tank
4. McLaughlin Air
5. King Real Estate
6. Bonanza Air
7. Savala Painters (Long Beach)
8. Savala Painters (Bakersfield)
9. Italian Athletic Club
10. Oroville Braves.
11. Nielsen Gamblers
The teams from Southern California that are going to be moved up
or required to remain at the “B” level include:
1. Raymar (Currently “B”)
2. Rounders
3. Rude Pac
4. Prime Time
5. Black Sox
6. Amigos
7. RAW
Romie’s Angels will also be added to the “B” list. They were
reclassified to “C” in 2005 and played at that level until the
Nationals at which time they played in the “B” nationals. The
team representative requested they be reclassified to “B”.
B. Review of Pitcher List: The committee reviewed the
current pitcher list to see if any pitchers should be removed because
they are no longer competing or no longer in California. The
following pitchers were dropped from the list based on this criteria:
1. Stoney Burke
2. Mike Lorange
3. Mike Allen
4. Dan Kolda
5. Larry Lohse
6. Bobby O’Brien
7. Steve Padilla
8. Kevin Pintes
9. Scott Sumptor
One technical change was made to the list. Todd Garcia will
show as being from Neveda not Greater San Joaquin.
The committee reviewed the list to see if any one on the current
list should be moved up in classification. The following pitcher
was moved from the “B” list to the “A” list:
1. Phil “Sonny” Perkins
The committee then discussed the need to move pitchers up to the
“B” list from the teams that are being moved up in classification from
“C” to “B”. However not enough information nor time was available
to get into specifics. John Gouveia will send to each committee
member via e-mail, a player list from each of the teams that are being
moved from “C” to “B”. The committee members will review the list
and make recommendations on the pitchers they think should be
reclassified from “C” to “B”. Robert Hernandez has already made a
determination on the majority of pitchers he wants moved up and will
finalize his decisions within the week and provide that information to
John Gouveia.
C. Player List: Robert Hernandez will update the player list
based on the committees decisions on teams and pitcher moves in
classification, and on team and pitcher drops from the current list.
D. Travel League Reports:
1. Bob Chapel gave a summary of the “C” tournament series in
2005. He then handed out the dates and locations for 2006.
He will have to make a number of adjustments in plans because of the
action of the committee to move teams up in classification.
2. Lance Elrod gave an update on the Central Cal travel league. He will
also have to make some adjustments for 2006 based on the committees
actions.
3. Robert Hernandez gave an update on the Southern California travel
league. He has set the dates and locations for his events for
2006. He has 9 dates total and will probably have 9 “A/B” events
and 7 “C” events.
E. Old Business: None
F. New Business:
1. Meeting Schedule for 2006:
a. January 28th - Hayward
b. March 13th -Conference Call, 6 pm
c. April 24th-Conference Call, 6 pm
d. May 22nd-Stockton
e. June 26th-Conference Call
f. September 30th-Sacramento
2. Bob Chapel asked whether the way national berths were allocated
in 2005 will remain the same for 2006. Sam Ducato made a motion,
seconded by John Gouveia to recommend to the commissioners that it
remain the same for 2006 as it was in 2005. The motion was
approved.
G. Meeting was Adjourned
MEN’S FAST PITCH COMMITTEE
MINUTES - MEETING OF June 27, 2005 Conference Call
Call to Order
Voting Members: Chairman John Gouveia
Vice-Chairman Robert Hernandez, Nor Cal - Terry Horner,
Sacramento - Bob Chapel
San Francisco - Anna Louie, Greater San Joaquin - Matt
Pfeifer, Region 14- Sam Ducato
Appeals:
Robert Dugo - Pitcher; denied drop from B pitchers list
Cary Weiler – Pitcher; denied drop from B pitchers list
Ed Gasper-pitcher; Denied drop from B pitchers list.
Eddie Brooks-Player; point of order was made that he was moved up per
ASA Code and not eligible for appeal.
Troy Morrison-Player; point of order was made that he was moved up per
ASA Code and not eligible for appeal.
MEN’S FAST PITCH COMMITTEE
MINUTES - MEETING OF May 23, 2005
Call to Order
Vice-Chairman Hernandez called the Monday, May 23, 2005 meeting in
Stockton to order at
6:25 PM
Roll Call
Voting Members: Vice-Chairman Robert Hernandez
Central California Jeff Coleman
Greater San Joaquin Ben Herrera
Nor Cal Terry Horner
Sacramento Bob Chapel
San Francisco Anna Louie
Southern California Lou Enriquez
Voting Members Absent:
Chairman John Gouveia
Regional Player Rep. Sam Ducato
At-Large-Rep Troy Murphy
Hawaii Don Meinel
Nevada Tony Pehle
Non-Voting Members:
Central California Lance Elrod
Greater San Joaquin Matt Pfeifer
Greater San Joaquin Jon Abernathy
Sacramento Paul Carleton
Very Distinguished(?) Guest Regional VP – John Miller
Appeals
Jerry Miller – Player; Housekeeping event, not at event team was
elevated for
Joe Dodder – Player; Housekeeping event, not at event team was elevated
for
Chris Baker – Player; Housekeeping event, not at event team was
elevated for
Mark VanHorn - Player; Housekeeping event, not at event team was
elevated for
Billy Montana - Player; Housekeeping event, not at event team was
elevated for
Robert Aragon - Player; Housekeeping event, not at event team was
elevated for
Brian Sepulveda - Player; Housekeeping event, not at event team was
elevated for
Mario Saucedo - Player; Housekeeping event, not at event team was
elevated for
Roy Saucedo - Player; Housekeeping event, not at event team was
elevated for
Jerry Melson – Pitcher; denied drop from B pitchers list as point of
order was made that he was moved up per ASA Code and not eligible for
appeal.
Russ Snow – Pitcher; dropped to B pitcher’s list
Pete Turner – Pitcher; dropped to B pitcher’s list
Cary Weiler – Pitcher; denied drop from B pitchers list
Robert Dugo - Pitcher; denied drop from B pitchers list
Travel League Reports
Pacific Coast Series
They have had four events with a total of 28 teams participating.
Their next event has 18 teams participating. With more teams
coming out, securing enough fields is a problem. They have three
more events.
Central California
Three events so far for a total of 15 games per team. Next date
is June in Visalia. They are looking for teams to play the
weekend of July 16 – 17 in Tulare.
Southern California
Four events are complete with three more to go, four if a rainout can
be made up. Averaging 16 teams per tournament.
New Business:
Chapel requested direction from the Committee to allow ranked pitchers
from R&W Heating to be allowed to pitch in a C tournament.
The Committee voted 6 – 0 to allow for the purpose of having the
pitcher gain stats in Saturday’s games only.
Horner asked the question on the Salvala Painters – Long Beach and
how the team that won in Utah differed from the team that played in the
Central California C league. Coleman informed the group that he
had five players/pitchers that are not on his roster play in Utah.
Old Business
Hernandez informed the Committee that a roster for D & S Dragline
could not be located for the timeframe that teams were being placed on
the players list. The Committee voted to remove the paragraph
concerning D & S Dragline from the players list.
Next Meeting
Conference call is scheduled for the evening of June 27 at 6:00
PM. Chairmen Gouveia will notify the Committee of the phone
number to call.
Adjournment – 8:15 PM
Minutes
April 25, 2005
Stockton, California
6:00PM
Call to Order
Roll Call: John Gouveia, Robert Hernandez, Lou Enriquez, Betsy
Ito, Terry Horner, Rick Appiano, Bob Chapel, Paul Carleton, Ben
Hernandez, Matt Pfeifer, Sam Ducato, John Miller
Jeff Coleman, Lance Elrod
Order of Business
Appeals
Brian Wells-player; Housekeeping removal from list, not at event team
was elevated for.
Rob Davis-pitcher; Denied drop from B pitchers list.
Calif. Crew-team; Dropped from team list for documenting fulfilling
their obligation to compete at the next level.
Sunset Life-team; Dropped from team list by documenting fulfilling
their obligation to compete at the next level.
Dennis Webb-pitcher; Denied drop from B pitchers list.
Ted Muniz-pitcher; Dropped off the B pitchers list.
Taylor Farms-team; Dropped from team list by documenting fulfilling
their obligation to compete at the next level.
Mike Abernathy-player; Housekeeping removal from list, not at event
team was elevated for.
Ed Gasper-pitcher; Denied drop from B pitchers list.
Travel Leagues Report
Pacific Coast Series
Two events completed, results on regions website.
Central Cal Travel League Report
Two events completed, results on Central Calif. Website.
Southern Cal Alliance Report
Three events completed, results at socal-asa.com/MensFP
Old Business
Wayne Geisler and Pat Ferreira added to the players list after decoding
their names on their rosters.
New Business
Meetings update;
May: Monday May 23rd, Stockton @ 6PM
June 27th Conference Call, 6PM
October: Saturday, October 8, Sacramento @ 10AM
2. Dinner not served so the group was hungry.
F. Adjournment
Minutes
January 22, 2005
Eden Mansion
2451 West Tennyson
Hayward, California
10:00AM
I. Call to Order
II. Roll Call: John Gouveia, Robert Hernandez, Lou Enriquez, Anna
Louie, Terry Horner, Rick Appiano, Bob Chapel, Paul Carleton, Ben
Hernandez, Matt Pfeifer, Sam Ducato
III. Order of Business
A. Review Committee Policies for 2005
a. Pitchers List: Motioned and approved
b. Team List: Motioned and approved
c. Player List: Discussion on whether a spot on the player list can be
appealed. Some names on the list are for results, not ability, which by
ASA code would not be able to be appealed. Also brought up was the
number of B, A, or major players can fill that less than 5 player rule.
Motioned and approved that listed major players cannot play in the C
division.
B. Review Updated Team and Pitcher Lists
C. Appeals
a. In Person
IAC (B-C) Motioned and approved with GSJ restrictions
b. Written
TEAM
Taylor Farms (B-C) Denied for lack of information.
Romie’s Angels (B-C) Motioned and approved.
Valley Lyons (B-C) Motioned and approved .
West Coast Financial (B-C) Motioned and approved.
PITCHERS
Brett Pobanz (B-C) Motioned and approved.
Ed Gaspar (B-C) Denied.
Joe Given (B-C) Motioned and approved.
Rob Davis (B-C) Denied.
Paul Honea (B-C) Point of order, not a listed pitcher. No action taken.
Jim Dinubilo (B-C) Point of order, not a listed pitcher. No action
taken.
Larry Althiede (B-C) Motioned and approved.
PLAYERS
Brian Faria; Denied. Team has not filled their obligation to play at
higher classification.
Steve Soares; Denied. Team has not filled their obligation to play at
higher classification.
Brian Wells; Denied
Larry Ybarra; Removed for housekeeping
D. Travel Leagues
a. ASA National Roster Freeze Date
SoCal is using July 8, Northern Associations are using July 15
b. Pacific Coast Series Report
Bob Chapel gave a brief report
c. Central Cal Travel League Report
No one in attendance
d. Southern Cal Alliance Report
Lou passed out the schedule and gave a brief report
E. Review 2005 Tournament Schedule
F. Old Business
Player list to be maintained by Robert Hernandez and posted on the
website by Sam Ducato
G. New Business
1. 2005 Meeting Schedule
a. April: Changed to Monday April 25th, Stockton @ 6PM.
b. May: Monday May 23rd, Stockton @ 6PM
c. June 27th Conference Call, 6PM
d. October: Saturday, October 8, Sacramento @ 10AM
H. Adjournment